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Game Central => Visual Novel/Eroge Central 18+ 成人遊戲/戀愛遊戲 18+ => Topic started by: Kureha on September 01, 2010, 02:07:31 PM

Title: Rules and Tags
Post by: Kureha on September 01, 2010, 02:07:31 PM
Going to be fixing up, introducing new tags and blah blah blah

[KN] VN with no choices like Planetarian
[H-Game] Standard Nukige like Moero Down hill night.
[H-VN] Visual Novel with H-content
[VN] Visual Novel with no H-content Obsolete, Visual Novels with no H-content, belong in the All ages section.
[Yaoi] Boy x Boy
[Yuri] Girl x Girl
[English] English content Obsolete, if it's in this section and it's not tagged with [Partial Eng] it should be English
[Partial Eng] Partially in English (not fully translated)
[RPG] Role Playing Game, this includes jRPG sRPG and other RPG varients for now. Games with no H belong in the all ages section.
[Incomplete] Game not complete
[日本語] Japanese Raw Japanese Raws belong in the Raw section.

This is so things are easier to search for and tell what kind of content is in the post.

It will take a while to go through and retag everything so tags will be messed up for a while.

New! Now introducing tagging system for even more easier and better tagging!
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Mana on September 01, 2010, 09:27:24 PM
*raises his hand* What do we do with the Japanese titles? Do we continue tagging them as [日本語] or there should also be an English tag for them, like [Japanese], for example?

EDIT: I will avoid to change titles that I don't know or that I haven't played, so that I don't tag them the wrong way.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: laplacian on September 01, 2010, 11:16:21 PM
Whats the difference between [Partial Eng] and [Incomplete] ?
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Kureha on September 01, 2010, 11:22:13 PM
Incomplete means the game itself isn't complete, Demos would go under the Incomplete tag
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Kyaksa on September 02, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
Katawa Shoujo is an english Freeware... so... would it be a doujin game?

^^;;
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Mana on September 02, 2010, 08:37:27 PM

Katawa Shoujo is an english Freeware... so... would it be a doujin game?

I don't see why it shouldn't be, besides "it's not Wapanese, lol!!!!111one".
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Green_Tea on September 02, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
What the hell is Wapanese?
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Kureha on September 02, 2010, 09:57:39 PM
wannabe japanese
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: inferno_flamex on September 02, 2010, 10:16:19 PM
Quote:

[H-Game] Standard sex romp like Moero Down hill night.
[H-VN] Visual Novel with H-content


...

I think 'sex romps' like Moero and even Lilith should still be under [H-VN] there is minimal 'gaming' just like any other VN, and still mostly clicking and reading texts... Despite the amount of Videos and sexromps we see...
..
....

What should be considered as [H-Game] would be stuffs from Illusion... eg. Sexy Beach... Artificial Girl 3... even Ra**Lay... (censor it to avoid google... dont know what's safe or what's not nowadays)
The latest upcoming (at time of this post) Moero game sounds like it does deserve the [H-Game] tag however.. Since we'll be 'driving' the character like any other racing game...

Other games that should have [H-Game] imho that i could remember from the top of my head would be...

~Sengoku Rance.
~Raidy.
~Brave Soul.
~Men At Work! 4
~Tears to Tiara
~Utawarerumono
etc.

They have 'gaming' elements that not only require reading texts, but also tactical commands & maybe player movement through keyboard/mouse... the occational 'Level Up' and 'ATTACK!' screen commands... Actual 'games'... I doubt we need to gain EXP in a cave or dungeon on your average text-choice clicking VN.

//EDIT:
Although right now we have very little of these kinds of H-games... Someone could one day upload a 'non-sex-romp' game with good long storyline and romance, but with every much of an RPG... And still call it a VN.

Its gonna be a problem then. >_>
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Green_Tea on September 02, 2010, 10:27:35 PM

wannabe japanese

But I thought Katawa Shoujo was wannabe Japanese? Oh but the art put me off. At least what I've seen of it. And the fanboyism by a friend. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Mana on September 03, 2010, 02:53:42 AM
I was joking with their own terms.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Green_Tea on September 03, 2010, 07:01:20 AM
Oh. Channers.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: inferno_flamex on September 04, 2010, 03:34:54 AM
...
Does no one else think that labeling H-Game as 'sex romps' sound a bit funny?...

I mean.. Honestly, imho. I think that Sagara family is a great VN with a cute story... I dont really find it any 'romping' at all... In fact, i think its cute... Much cuter than other games such as Prison Battleship.

All im saying is that a term such as 'sex-romps' differ from users... What one person finds 'too much sex/easy sex scenes' , another mind find that its still 'normal/difficult'...

So basically its up to the user to think that its either a romp or not...

I believe that a tag should not be something so 'vague' that could be changed easily depending on how the user/uploader views the game...
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Kureha on September 04, 2010, 06:10:15 AM
fine we'll use the term Nukige
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: inferno_flamex on September 04, 2010, 10:42:50 AM
Hmm.. no Kureha that's not what I really meant.. >_>

What im trying to say is that shouldn't tags be something more specifics?
Like imagine if you're going to be tagging this picture... A pink haired girl.

(http://jvfiles.mjv-art.org/jvwall_images/109/1090af8a8f7c0696206b72ad7d87d072_bp.png)

And lets say that you're going to tag her as [CUTE]... But what one person sees as cute; another could see it as [BEAUTIFUL]... Maybe someone else would caeegorize her as [SEXY]?... Or what if someone who hates pink haired girls tag her as [UGLY BEETCH]... >_>

That's what I meant by these tags being 'vague' and it entirely depends on the user or the uploader.

The most obvious thing to tag her is [PINK HAIR]... or maybe [LONG HAIR]... [BLUE EYES] also comes to mind. As these things are obvious and is true no matter from which standpoint you're from... or maybe [TSUNDERE], [IMOUTO] etc. if she is one.

...
Dont misunderstand me. I'm just voicing my opinion on the tag system and looking for a discussion in hopes of making it even more easily identifiable than it already is. If Im the only one that thinks of things this way then there's no point changing the meaning of the tags really...
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Kureha on September 04, 2010, 11:17:05 AM
Except Nukige is a clearly defined term, as are VNs and KNs. Yaoi/Yuri are also clearly defined term.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: sazabi on September 04, 2010, 11:40:09 AM
as long as the tags are clearly defined, i dont see any problem with tagging the releases
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Mana on September 04, 2010, 05:10:21 PM
Besides being clearly defined terms, there is only a certain amount of space for topic titles, and there are already more tags than titles, in most cases. If you want to be so specific in terms of tagging, I present to you VNDB (http://vndb.org/). If people really need to know in what specific genre a game/VN/whatever is included, they should use it more often instead of trying to imitate it. It's there for a reason. And in the case that it doesn't have a certain game, you're welcome to add it.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: klako on September 04, 2010, 10:13:41 PM
I think we can benefit from having default for each tag type. When it is the default, no need to tag. That should save some title space.

Language:
1. English (default, no need to tag)
2. [Partial Eng] Partially in English (not fully translated)
3. [日本語] Japanese Raw

Adult/All ages:
1. Adult (default, no need to tag)
2. [All ages] no H-content

Game Mechanics:
1. standard visual novel with multiple choices (default, no need to tag)
2. [KN] VN with no choices like Planetarian
3. [RPG] Role Playing Game
4. [Sim] Simulation Game (with stats) like dating sim, raising sim, training sim, etc

Completeness:
1. Complete game (default, no need to tag)
2. [Incomplete] Game not complete

Contents(can have more than one, no default):
1. [Yuri]
2. [Yaoi]
3. [Scat]
4. [Guro]
5. [Nukige]
Actually, I don't think we need Contents as tags.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Kureha on September 04, 2010, 10:20:38 PM
guess that works too, the yaoi and yuri was mainly to warn some people who are offended/don't want to see
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Green_Tea on September 05, 2010, 10:08:01 AM
The defaults sound nice.

Actually rather than content I'd rather people put the producers in the title. Mostly you can tell what kind of content, style, quality etc it would be just from that.

Welp, not that it matters, since as Mana said, vndb is there for a reason. Why not just put like a FAQ up or something. >go here for more information on the games. Or just ask people who are uploading if they can be bothered putting up a vndb link with the game.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Mana on September 05, 2010, 07:47:27 PM
The defaults are useful to get rid of the clutter with all those tags. Other than that "[H-Game][RPG][Rape][Loli][Yuri][Guro][etc.][English] Sengoku Rance" or VNDB (http://vndb.org/v487) on the OP? It's a tough choice.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: inferno_flamex on September 06, 2010, 12:00:34 AM
The defaults sounds really nice.

Although I also agree that there could be the link to vndb...
I see it as a more 'if you wanna post a link to vndb, go ahead. If not, no problem'...

The 'basic requirements' that's here in Kureha One, from what I know are Pics, Tags, Summary and dl/torrent links.

Pics, Tags, & Summary can easily be found AND TAKEN from vndb... Chances are that most summaries of the game are taken from VNDB or the original website... (Even vndb takes from the website too sometimes)
Im not saying everyone does that, i know for certain that Zyi summarize his h-manga uploads by himself...

So linking to VNDB, when the page here is pretty much similar to the one in vndb... is nothing major.

However, I've got a small question...

If the default of Adult games are 'default no tags'... Then ALL Ages are tagged...
Shouldnt the 'All Ages' games be under 'All Ages Sharing' in this forum?... That way all ALL AGES games are considered 'default' in the ALL AGES section... And Adult is default in ADULT... We get rid of even more tags...
...
..... Although from some people's point of view... the 'All Ages' version of Kira*Kira is still considered.. 'non-all-ages'... So i guess that is also a problem.


This Sharing - 分享 18+ section is becoming a 'Sharing - Visual Novel' section in general... XDDDD
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: laplacian on September 06, 2010, 02:00:29 AM
@Inferno:

If I remember right, Kureha once said ages ago that the all-ages section is pretty much dead and we should post all-ages visual novels in the adult section too.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Mana on September 06, 2010, 07:01:27 AM

This Sharing - 分享 18+ section is becoming a 'Sharing - Visual Novel' section in general... XDDDD

Welcome to 2009!


Pics, Tags, & Summary can easily be found AND TAKEN from vndb... Chances are that most summaries of the game are taken from VNDB or the original website... (Even vndb takes from the website too sometimes)

That's a lot better than no summaries at all, because that's what you would get from me. And I even bother to copy-paste those summaries, because people are too lazy to follow links that are posted in bold and red. The proof of that are all the questions that are answered in readmes, VNDB or the translation project's sites, but that's not the reason to completely copy-paste all the information contained on those sources into the topic's original post.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Yagami on September 17, 2010, 01:31:26 PM
[H-VN] Visual Novel with H-content
[VN] Visual Novel with no H-content
Visual Novel with H-content and with no H-content don't be an correct terms,Visual Novel Eroge and without Eroge is the corrects as well,and in addiction Visual Novel Nukige is VNs who focuses more in Eroge than history u.u
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Mana on September 17, 2010, 03:20:40 PM
Visual Novels with or without Erotic Games? You sure try hard to not make any sense.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: NoSense on September 17, 2010, 07:25:03 PM
Hmm...
You could see VNs as games, making a "Visual Novel Eroge" somethink like an "Erotic Visual Novel Game"
Sounds kind of weird though
But then it would be like a "Visual Novel Game" with or without the "Erotic", thus making it more like "VNG" or "EVNG"...

Of course, nobody would ever understand such tags.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Mana on September 17, 2010, 09:03:08 PM
Especially, because no one categorizes them that way.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Kureha on August 30, 2013, 07:41:21 PM
Well, the All ages section seems to be working, if the Raw section can stabilize itself, I think we could start making the English and maybe a few of the H tags obsolete?
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Mana on August 30, 2013, 09:09:51 PM
Do you want to remove them from all the threads or just stop using them? If the former, I can give you a hand tomorrow.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Kureha on August 30, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
I'ld have to make sure that everything is in their right places and edit one of the stickies to reflect the changes.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Mana on August 30, 2013, 10:00:06 PM
Then warn me when you are ready, if you want to go with it.
Title: Re: Implemention and Explaination Tags
Post by: Kureha on August 30, 2013, 10:01:58 PM
Well if there are no japanese or all ages things left in this section, then we could start with the retagging.
Title: Re: Rules and Tags
Post by: Mana on August 30, 2013, 10:52:32 PM
Well, I have to go to work in a while, but tomorrow is my day off.

EDIT: It's done.
Title: Re: Rules and Tags
Post by: Kureha on September 02, 2013, 02:16:02 PM
Awesome, thanks, made a new sticky for people to report if anything is misstagged or in the wrong section.
Title: Re: Rules and Tags
Post by: Mana on September 02, 2013, 06:37:29 PM
I already fixed the tags from the titles that I knew, so it only leaves the other half to fix.