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Don´t pirate Games Support Jastusa & Mangagamer

Started by kyrt, July 27, 2010, 02:44:05 AM

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Mana

Well, there was Hirameki's case, but their death was also their own fault.

And it's easier to ask for low prices when you've surpassed the sales target by a large margin to the point that you are only profitting, independently of the price that you are currently selling your product. A smaller market for products that are in low demand will obviously have higher prices. It's the law of supply and demand.

SaMo

#16
Another post about piracy vs legal...
Hell... not everyone lives in a nice country or had the money to spend.
I'm living in a shitty country, I work 6 days a week (60 hours per week) and can barely survive after paying the rent, food, bills. And in my situation i can't get a CC.
Hell... buying 2 games on Mangagamer = the money I spend per month (lunch, transportation from home/work/home, cigarettes).
So you thing that I can throw so easy my money?
So let's think this way... what if my situation was diffrent? Shit... I buy it legally! even don't need to think twice.
If the game is great, don't had any problem supporting them.
I owe a Xbox 360 (RRoD) with GTA 4 LE (After saving up for 5 months), Gears of War LE (After saving for almost 3 months), Resident Evil 5 LE (After saving for 3 months) and a Halo 3 Legendary Edition (After saving for 6 months).
Now i have a PS3 with 8 games... buying each game cost me 2 to 3 months of saving....
Stop the hypocresy trying to be the defender of the justice, not everyone it's so lucky to had their parent's support, a better job or living in a nice place.

p.s1: Don't get me wrong... this is a reply to kyrt and no one else.
p.s2: My parent's can't work so i support all my family... that's why i never had the privilege to attend college and that's why i had to work 60 hours per week.
p.s3: sorry for my crappy & sloppy engrish, all the english i know was learned by my self and it's not my primary lenguage as everyone can read.

inferno_flamex

Im just gonna quote with Kureha on this one, since Kureha's situation is very much similar to my own...
Yes, finance... and customs shipment problems here as well...

Although im not a student, im recently graduated college and awaiting my call into the Army... Any $$$ I get from my part-time job has to go to repaying school loans, and supporting myself. Parents arnt even giving me a single cent anymore. And im living off approx 150USD a month, with an average McDonald meal being 3-4USD... So i tend to stay home lots... So i think im still slightly better off than Kureha.

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Sorry... I've decided to deleted that bunch of stuffs from my post. I realize that it could be misinterpret and maybe cause a flame war... So im just gonna end it with this short paragraph..

Despite finance and shipping reasons... I'll continue to support the industry 'my own way'... From buying the game itself, to simply buying the game's figurine (like my Sengoku Rance's Kenshin <3). But I can only support them only when I can.

Mana

#18
When I talked about buying their games when I have the possibility to do it, I was thinking about earning again something like my last job's income, around 700€/month. Even though I had to help with the house expenses and all that, I always had some money to spend on stuff that I like.

Compared to some of you, I can consider myself lucky to have my mother to support me. The only money that she can borrow me is for my medication and for when I go to the endocrinologist. Even then, it's not enough to treat my eyesight problems, but I'm glad that they aren't getting worse, so they can wait.

And yeah, the "free health services" in the European Union aren't that free and those that are, take years until they finally do something. There was this Portuguese guy who only got his letter to do a surgery that he needed after he died. That's how slow they are.

EDIT: And SaMo0204, you shouldn't worry about your English. There is barely anyone here who is an English native speaker.

Green_Tea

I'm a minority here. How refreshing.

To be honest, I'm pretty well off, but seeing as I still live at home and rely on my parents even though I'm in college...well, I could get kicked out any moment. I just don't see the point in buying something I can get for free, unless I'm a big fan. I mean if it was the quality of like GTO, or Haruhi I'd buy it as I promised myself I would. But I mean seriously, would you buy shit like Naruto? Bleach? No, they're good for a bit of a read, but that's it.

Same with most games that are pro-licensed. Good read, but not worth buying.

Kyaksa

I am a die hard fan of Higurashi... I would of bought it (or beg my brother to) if they were CDS I don't want to fucking but a Downloaded version of higurashi and The DAMN BGI (which rules are full of shit, in my dearest opinion).

I plan to buy and fully support Umineko last EP... (I'm not sure if it will be 7-9) but Once Umineko is over I will buy it with all of my soul. Shipping with Himeyashop is a pure and utter bitch, but in return your CDs arrive in perfect shape, which is almost worth the shipping cost.

I don't like Mangagamers way of selling games... I don't trust it at all. If I could have the CDs I would of never bother of having seen this site, but since things are how they are I found this site, which has epic original OST patches (despite not being perfect).

Privacy is a hard agruement  :-\ I think if you truly love something you'll buy it, just to support the owner, but after that I'm not that sure...

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Rookie_One

IMO, if i had the money i would buy every h games i currently have, but i just don't have the money.

While from what i could read in this thread, i own a bit more than most (about 1800 CAD per month), i got too much to pay to afford these games (students loan, diverse loans, my new car + living expenses)

kyrt

#22
I am not against "piracy".

Just want to make that clear.

I apologize for the posts. I did not mean to offend (okay so at the time I did...I'm sorry though). In regards to the replies I've read them and to be honest I agree with them.

I was kinda upset about a somewhat unrelated issue. My car was stolen on July 26th (along with some forms of identification) and I kinda snapped after it finally set in. So again I apologize. So although I'm not trying to excuse my actions (who am I kidding of course I am), I'm sure you can see how the two completely unrelated things seemed to fit together in my overly tired, annoyed, and pissed off mind. For what it's worth though I am sorry.

Going off on that though I suppose where some people might buy 360, ps3, or even the damn wii games (no offense to people who like that system) I will not bring myself to do so. I would rather pay money on visual novels or figures...trying to find a damn sengoku rance figure that is out of production...than on console games. To be honest though I will have a hard time of doing much of anything for some time until this car and possibly identity theft issue i resolved.

Who in their right mind though would give a flying fuck on the legality/morality of piracy anyways? Jeez I feel like an idiot.

also this is completely unrelated but is there any reason there is a lack of hirameki games (or do people not care for them?). I'm talking mainly about phantom of inferno, exodus guilty, amusement park, hourglass of summer, etc... just curious if there is a specific reason why not that many have been uploaded. I know most of them are pretty bad but...

Green_Tea

It seems we like discussing the morality of pirating games.

Something close to all of us at heart. Anyway, Sengoku Rance figurines would be awesome. Must put that on my list.

SaMo

I apologize for the posts. I did not mean to offend (okay so at the time I did...I'm sorry though).

In regards to the replies I've read them and to be honest I agree with them.
Going off on that though I suppose where some people might buy 360, ps3.......... I would rather pay money on visual novels or figures...trying to find a damn sengoku rance figure that is out of production...than on console games

also this is completely unrelated but is there any reason there is a lack of hirameki games (or do people not care for them?). I'm talking mainly about phantom of inferno, exodus guilty, amusement park, hourglass of summer, etc... just curious if there is a specific reason why not that many have been uploaded. I know most of them are pretty bad but...

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Be cool, it's nice to know that you can understand.
I can buy Xbox 360 or PS3 games cos' we had market (and of course ppl) for those things, even we had a large market for manga.
Living in my shitty country and given my work situation.. i don't apply for having a credit card (don't get me wrong I work 60 hours per week so my salary it's above average)... so i can't buy even if i want (and not to mention my messy family situation).

Why Hirameki broke?? Cos their game suck's!!! and most of them are dvd-player type game and for all ages category. You don't need to install the game or even need a PC to play their games, just any average dvd player was enough but that's the biggest problem..... you can't save, so they impplemented the old school method... via password to 'save' your progress.

kyrt

Personally the morality of pirating games is kind of a moot point. We are already doing it. Can't change the past even if we wanted to.

The question is, is pirating wrong? The answer would be something along the lines of what is wrong? Wrong is a subjective term. Hell morality itself is subjective.

When you think about it though if we are going to argue a morality issue for pirating then should we do the same for the content in the games? Personally I see nothing wrong with it but again wrong and right are subjective.

Actually what isn't subjective? ...this is a rhetorical question.

Yeah I'm really not into the whole console game systems right now. Cost too much and to be honest I just can't concentrate with most of them...having a ps3 instead of a 360 though may be one of the reasons as well. Just not as good imho.

Credit cards suck. I can't stand mine it may be useful at times but hell is it going to make me regret having it one of these days.

I suppose I tend to put most of my non-needed to live money into figurines and visual novels/anime/manga. Probably a bad habit but hey we all have our little quirks.

If you're interested in figures you can find a bunch of them (and often places to buy them...or reviews on them) on http://myfigurecollection.net/

You can find many different figures, garage sets, t-shirts, gashapons, etc... there. I'm fond of the sengoku rance ones...but some of them are better than others. If you're interested there is a good place to see new and upcoming ones as well...not that I will be able to afford this little hobby for a while (not that I have many to begin with).

Also I was going to upload eternal fighter zero (memorial) but wasn't sure if anyone would be interested in it. not hentai after all and I'm not sure whether anyone would care for the bad graphics of the game.

If someone also wants to try to explain to me how to upload a torrent of an entire game with all files I may have a few others as well (I have battleraper 2, brutish mine, and a few others but they are probably not translated and I'm not sure anyone would care for them...might be able to break them into parts with megaupload if people do though.)).

In regards to Hirameki I know they went out of business (hell they butchered the games they released) but I was surprised not to see phantom at the very least...but then you reminded me they are dvd edition and that the password progress sucks, so never mind.

Kureha

I stopped getting gashapons and box sets except for the occasional keychain, due to the overall lower quality. I can't afford 1/7-1/6 pvcs as much as I'ld like though.
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JBeckman


also this is completely unrelated but is there any reason there is a lack of hirameki games (or do people not care for them?). I'm talking mainly about phantom of inferno, exodus guilty, amusement park, hourglass of summer, etc... just curious if there is a specific reason why not that many have been uploaded. I know most of them are pretty bad but...

I have the Hirameki collection (Minus one title.) but I had problems as it were to upload 1 GB let alone this thing at nearly 60 GB.

There's also a underlying problem of several of their titles being "friendlified" or "reduced" or what to call it, a lot of them have edits in terms of content and some like Tea Society as a example not only had all the erotical scenes cut but removed two routes altogether.
(They also made most games into this DVD-play stuff with passwords instead of normal games and save systems plus the edited content in most of their titles.)

They're not bad or anything as for the actual games (I've only played a few of them though.) but I wish they weren't so edited and redone.

And yeah supporting companies like Jast/Mangagamer helps as they're a small business and it's a niche market (Outside Asia.) but the price is rather hefty (They need to make a profit though of course.) and a lot of titles are rather basic and mostly just sex with a weak story, still fun and I have bought several titles but it's understandable why people acquire them via alternate ways.
(Mangagamer is a bit worse of still with Euro pricing and only download editions though more of a diverse lineup of games but they've been pretty quiet lately after the Higurashi episodes.)

Mana

#28
MG has several games announced, some of them aren't even named yet, and Kouryuu talked about the fact that Koihime Musou is getting their entire attention until it's released.

EDIT: It seems they are almost done with that one, since they are already working on this. It appears to be a dark themed sex romp.

SDragon

New to the forum and probably already downloaded enough games to last me the rest of the year. Some I may enjoy, some I may not and most I probably wouldn't play again.  Found the thread as I was registering to help by seeding torrents and just wanted to share some thoughts on piracy before the thread disappears back into oblivion.

Piracy, as relates back to the old days, related to actual pirates who stole, raped and plundered Spanish, English or French ships around the Carribean causing terror on the high seas.  Pirates probably didn't want to be pirates except that life left them no alternatives - they either grew up as a pirate, had no real means to rely on otherwise or were actual fugitives that fled captivity.  The life of a pirate was less than glamorous with probably a lower life span than normal.  If the average life span was 40 back in those days, a pirates life span was probably between 26-30, dying either by being killed, from disease and malnutrition or from alcohol poisoning.  Essentially, a pirates life was a criminals life driven by life's necessities. 

Back in the old BBS days, the warez scene took the name of Pirates because of the dashing view that they were somehow evading the laws and travelling the high seas of the modem days sharing plundar and treasure (electronic data). And it was true as computers and the internet were in its baby years and police were actually assigned to try and crack down on these BBS dens.  As the BBS' went viral on the internet, it stopped becoming a game of cat and mouse as for every mouse caught, ten more would appear.  At some point the cat decided that they had more important things to  do. 

And that's literally where we are today.  Pirates and Piracy is such an old term it no longer applies.  There are no pirates trying to bring the downfall of businesses like Microsoft, JASTUSA, MG.  What's left is a vast network of interconnectedness that extends beyond the morality issue of wrong or right for downloading such things as non-essentials.  It is not as clear cut as saying support this or support that and it will continue to prosper.  Everything touches everything else.  The economy affects the lives of every single person.  One cannot say that one should cut their life expenses to support something that is non-essential.  If one doesn't pay for a game, and yet donates $25 a month to a charity - is one morally wrong or morally right? 

One of the hidden traits of a capitalistic society is that businesses thrive and businesses collapse - it cannot be that businesses always thrive.  Especially not in a downturn of the business cycle.  JASTUSA and MG unforunately have not done any adjustments during this global downturn and in the long run it may be the straw that breaks the camels back.  The argument that downloaders are the straw that will break their back is invalid as the necessity of money is that it be used.  If people could afford their wants as well as their needs, people would have no hesistation about paying the extra costs.  If businesses like JASTUSA / MG were to fail, yes, there would be a lull in new translated games coming out, but there will always be hackers and programmers that will pick up the slack and a new niche market will emerge for JP translated games.  Change is the only real constant in life.

It is what it is and morality is a mind game that plays itself into smaller and smaller circles.