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Title: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on December 24, 2010, 03:52:25 PM
2 years after RapeLay's shitstorm, MG decided to pick up Mashou no Nie (http://vndb.org/v895) again and see if no one notices it. Seeing how such suggestive titles like "Suck My Dick or Die" didn't attract unwanted attention, I don't see why they delayed it's release for so long.

Feel free to drop other bits of info about what they're doing on this topic, so that it's not scattered on 5 or 10 different topics.
Title: Re: MG's shananigans
Post by: mahou on December 24, 2010, 05:47:07 PM
I doubt the 'troublesome' ppl will catch wind of it anyway. Unless someone goes out of their way to inform them. Not my kinda game anyway so if they do decide to drop it it's no skin off my back. Just hope MG don't get caught up in a shit storm with liquid titles.
Title: Re: MG's shananigans
Post by: Yossarian762 on December 24, 2010, 08:19:17 PM

2 years after RapeLay's shitstorm, MG decided to pick up Mashou no Nie (http://vndb.org/v895) again and see if no one notices it. Seeing how such suggestive titles like "Suck My Dick or Die" didn't attract unwanted attention, I don't see why they delayed it's release for so long.

Feel free to drop other bits of info about what they're doing on this topic, so that it's not scattered on 5 or 10 different topics.

Probably part of it is that they claim their nukiges don't sell well vs their other games, so with DCIF, DC2, and Koihime all being released within the space of like, three months, plus Zaishuu coming out who-knows-when-but-the-translations-done...

Though speaking of that, they probably should retitle "Suck My Dick or Die" and maybe "My Sex Slave Is a Classmate" or something lol. Even if nobody would cause some media frenzy over them they're cumbersome titles.

e: kouryuu said the translation's p much done for Mashou no Nie I guess but I still assume part of the delay is again just because they'd rather focus on stuff they think would sell better. Not to mention putting out more "respectable" titles first helps their reputation which they could always use - it wasn't that long ago that people were shitting all over their translations and skeptical of trying their new releases due to them, and telling people "here try this game, it actually has a good translation! also its about raping bitches" probably isn't going to help that much.
Title: Re: MG's shananigans
Post by: Mana on December 24, 2010, 09:19:29 PM
Regarding the costs of releasing it, they already had most of the work done (but it was probably retranslated to keep up with their current standards), so the only reasoning behind the delay was that the companies who call the shots on MG were afraid of releasing it while they kept titles that could pull them into the same boat as the RapeLay fiasco.

It's just like Peter Payne saying that he won't mess around with lolicon while he has clearly underaged characters on several of JAST's current catalog and the characters even joke around the fact that it's a crime if they state the girl's age. RapeLay already had 2 years on the market before someone took notice of it's existence and it didn't stop anyone from pulling all that crap, so I don't get how he would be safe from someone scrutinizing his titles just by removing certain content from the new releases. When I asked that question to him on JAST's forums (on a thread were both him and another JAST representative were posting about the subject), an army of white knights interfered and I didn't get any answer.

tl;dr: Why are they worried with moralfags attacking them when their current catalogs can get them attacked for the same reasons?
Title: Re: MG's shananigans
Post by: Yossarian762 on December 25, 2010, 06:30:03 AM
I'm not really claiming it's about "moralfags" though so either you're ignoring my post in favor of posting your own reasoning or misinterpreting it. I'm just saying, if MG had a bad reputation, releasing games like Kira Kira, DC, Higurashi etc, especially ones with animes of them and name recognition, will do more to restore their reputation than some nukige nobody's heard of.

Plus you could probably argue they simply want to space out their releases as well - if you release a bunch of games all in a very close space to each other it's harder to drum up interest, and sales, in any of them individually, and considering there's a very small market for English-language VNs, they may well reason their customers simply couldn't afford a bunch of games all at once.

And yeah I'm pretty sure they did say they were re-translating it up to current standards.
Title: Re: MG's shananigans
Post by: Mana on December 25, 2010, 10:45:00 AM
Way to put words into other people's mouths.

As for the argument about flooding the market with titles, it's just nonsense given how the next months will be filled with releases and there wasn't any proper release by MG besides Higurashi and Da Capo 2 during this entire year. I know that JAST was even worse in that sense, but if MG uses childish reasonings like "They are worse than us, so you should be grateful that we, at least, released this.", like I've seen Peter Payne do, it will be really bad for their image.

As for releasing known stuff to attract more sales (which is what they are doing right now, before going for their currently announced nukige or lesser known Circus' titles), it would make sense, if that title hadn't been actually released and removed from their catalog in a matter of days. People who bought it could still activate the DRM, but no one else had access to them. If it was only the matter of the lower quality translation, Edelweiss and Hinata Bokko would have suffered the same destiny.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on April 02, 2011, 08:30:04 AM
MangaGamer yesterday announced Kotori Love ExP. (http://mangagamer.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/announcing-kotori-love-exp/) It was officially announced through their mailing list and all that, and so it seems to be legit.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on April 02, 2011, 08:33:51 AM
I would be most unhappy if it's an April Fools stunt.
I love Kotori.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on April 02, 2011, 09:17:44 AM
This confirms it. (http://www.mangagamer.com/r18/Titles/Details/F12D511F-B858-4787-890E-0F537E37552D/kotori-love-ex-p)
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Khilandros on April 02, 2011, 09:23:07 AM
Cool, more Kotori! Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: laplacian on April 02, 2011, 10:22:14 PM
Why no Nemu Love ExP ?!
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on April 02, 2011, 10:24:47 PM
Nemu doesn't sell.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: laplacian on April 02, 2011, 10:37:01 PM
Cute yandere imoutos always sell!
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on April 02, 2011, 10:40:58 PM
Nemu? Yandere? I don't think so.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on April 02, 2011, 11:34:07 PM
If she actually was yandere, maybe I could have liked her character.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on April 02, 2011, 11:51:26 PM
I don't like her period. There is nothing you can do to Nemu for me to like her.

Oh wait, there is Otome...
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on April 03, 2011, 12:00:53 AM
I'm going by the assumption that being a yandere would make her somewhat different than the already clingy, jealous and possessive imouto that she is, like turning her up to eleven, and just making her batshit insane. It would be funny to see something like that on Da Capo.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on April 30, 2011, 04:55:45 AM
http://www.mangagamer.com/r18/Titles/Details/F12D511F-B858-4787-890E-0F537E37552D/kotori-love-ex-p (http://www.mangagamer.com/r18/Titles/Details/F12D511F-B858-4787-890E-0F537E37552D/kotori-love-ex-p)

Gentlemen, it's been released!
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Khilandros on April 30, 2011, 06:57:51 AM
FFS! someone posted this forum in the /jp/ Kotori thread, hope it doesn't get this place shut down again. :(
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on April 30, 2011, 07:11:58 AM
now just wait a while for it to turn up.
I thought it was MG trolling at first since the announcement came on April 1st
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on April 30, 2011, 07:51:04 AM

FFS! someone posted this forum in the /jp/ Kotori thread, hope it doesn't get this place shut down again. :(

It's just someone who wants attention and who gets frustrated about the fact that we don't lose time arguing with him.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on April 30, 2011, 07:55:21 AM
sigh... I was kinda liking the meido and jp part of the address too.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mizuno on April 30, 2011, 08:09:08 AM

sigh... I was kinda liking the meido and jp part of the address too.
yeah I like it too
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on April 30, 2011, 08:51:14 AM
just getting settled as well, time to pack and get ready to move on...
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Ivan on April 30, 2011, 09:13:02 AM
Why don't you get some proper hosting with static ip adress and domain? Cheapest and somehow reliable ones cost like 5$/month - erogedownload is much larger "heavy offender of the copyright law" ( that's the phrase they used when writing complaint to domain registar  ;D ) - we get more daily unique visitors than they sold games in whole mangagamers history, yet they can't touch us.
If you need a host then i can give you some space on my dedicated server, but i can't provide you with domain name.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on April 30, 2011, 10:47:34 AM
I have my own dedicated server, it just needs an DNS redirector. Something to point an address to a dynamic IP. I'm not financially well right now and don't have a CC, nor do I live in the states.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Green_Tea on April 30, 2011, 03:40:28 PM
How much is a DNS redirector?
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on April 30, 2011, 05:34:45 PM
Absolutely no idea as I don't have an address either lol.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Ivan on May 01, 2011, 12:19:29 AM
Yay, site is back.
GJ, Kureha.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on May 01, 2011, 12:26:15 AM
Hopefully it will stick around this time.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mizuno on May 01, 2011, 01:40:22 AM
yay it's back
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on May 01, 2011, 01:44:40 AM
But for how long? Dun Dun Dun! *GASP*
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Khilandros on May 01, 2011, 03:37:08 AM
Well glad to see the place back for now, maybe next time you could add "yo-yo" somewhere in the domain name. Sucks that they keep going after this place, not to mention the motion sickness of the constant ups and downs :(
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mizuno on May 01, 2011, 03:49:34 AM

But for how long? Dun Dun Dun! *GASP*
well hopefully it'll live long hahaha
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Khilandros on May 01, 2011, 04:41:47 AM
Damn it! the new address just got posted in /jp/ again, expect this to die soon.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on May 01, 2011, 06:13:42 AM
That or Kureha is going to get spammed with MG's complaints.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: michelous on May 01, 2011, 09:27:16 AM
my current guess is a year tops
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on May 17, 2011, 01:25:46 PM
so it seems MG has licensed Kara no Shoujo
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on May 17, 2011, 01:32:27 PM
Kara no Shoujo eh? Saw the OVA didn't really get what was going on.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on May 17, 2011, 02:20:13 PM
well at least they got mysterious part right  :P
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: laplacian on May 17, 2011, 03:52:27 PM
Wasn't kara no shoujo being translated by a fan group too ? And weren't they nearly done too ? ~~
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on May 17, 2011, 04:02:05 PM
yep, article says MG will be using edited fan translation
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: laplacian on May 17, 2011, 04:25:32 PM
Man what's this bull, I'm all for proper releases, but don't fucking go after fan translations non stop. Rather hire your own proper translators and bring us games which aint ready to be released as fan translation anyway.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on May 17, 2011, 04:31:52 PM
It's cheaper for them this way. Also probably a little bit faster too.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on May 17, 2011, 04:41:42 PM
as long as they don't decide to act like jast
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on May 17, 2011, 09:22:58 PM
Don't forget that Kara no Shoujo will be voiceless, again. This move confirms that the decision to remove the voices from Koihime Musou wasn't an exception like they said in January.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Green_Tea on May 18, 2011, 04:31:56 AM
Fuck translation companies. Seriously FUCK.

Voices are paramount. FFS.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on May 20, 2011, 06:54:53 PM
From what's been stated on MG's blog (http://mangagamer.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/kara-no-shoujo-changes), the fault lies with the company that owns the voice acting rights. They thought that they were dealing with a big publisher or something like that.

The second major change, as many of you who viewed our catalog page have probably already noticed, is that we were forced to release the game without the original Japanese voices. Because of the unique way in which the extensive voice cast for this game was chosen, the rights to the voices remained with the voice acting agency, and not Innocent Grey. While both of us did our best to negotiate for use of the voices, the agency refused to accept any of the alternative options we proposed, and demanded an outlandish fee several times larger than the entire cost of localizing this product otherwise.

Nothing can be done if the other part is greedy to the point of not being able to negotiate with them.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on May 20, 2011, 06:56:13 PM
a fee greater than the total cost of localizing , talk about greedy
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Le_Chimp on May 21, 2011, 03:44:42 PM
I'll Judge them by how they have handled the re coded engine

if their re coded engine has voice support and editable script files I'll keep buying games off them.

If there engine doesn't have voice support or the script files are so far encrypted we cant edit them I'll just cut them off and pirate them from now on.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on May 21, 2011, 05:45:30 PM
According to Anon, it's even easier to insert the voices on this engine:

The engine isn't heavily modified. The game is ported to another, a lot more widespread engine (not BGI though), as the original was NG.
Moreover it also happens to make voice patching pretty easy to automate, so we supported this change.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on May 25, 2011, 07:27:36 PM
For the people that missed it, bamboo, the person in charge of Overdrive and MangaGamer's producer, did a live stream this week where he was bombarded with questions. Some of them pertinent and others completely retarded, but it was fun to watch. The people at MG transcribed the more relevant stuff on their blog. (http://mangagamer.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/bamboos-livechat/#more-2235)

It was a good PR move that they needed and the best part is that they are planning to do it bi-weekly.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on June 29, 2011, 03:53:01 PM
Kara no Shoujo released
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on July 04, 2011, 11:56:03 PM
For the people that didn't follow AX: Da Capo III and Kimi ga Nozomu Eien were announced. It was also announced that if Da Capo and Da Capo II sell some more copies, that DCPC and DCIIPC will be released, that Shin Koihime Musou could be released in the future and if Kara no Shoujo sells well, other Innocent Grey titles will be released. Nothing more was said about Oretsuba, but the last thing that bamboo said was that everything was going well.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: michelous on July 05, 2011, 04:57:49 AM
when does da capo 3 even come out but kimi ga i want
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: mahou on July 05, 2011, 08:32:02 AM
Oh Kimi Nozu, do want. So Age has signed on with MG, wonder if amaterasu will have anything to do with it. Hope so since Ixrec is a machine and it means it'd get out pretty quick considering it's MG.

Good choice since the weeaboos will want it b/c of it's anime. Definitely a game they should do hardcopies from the get go, I still prefer digital, but hardcopies seems to be where the money is.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: michelous on July 05, 2011, 08:48:47 AM
i just hope age doesn't rip the voices
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on July 05, 2011, 10:35:27 AM

It was also announced that if Da Capo and Da Capo II sell some more copies, that DCPC and DCIIPC will be released, that Shin Koihime Musou could be released in the future and if Kara no Shoujo sells well, other Innocent Grey titles will be released.

theres still hope yet  :)
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on July 05, 2011, 03:12:58 PM
Da Capo III will be released next year.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Madotsuki on July 05, 2011, 03:25:48 PM
KimiNozo? Seriously? Haha oh god I just...spazzed out more than was probably called for.

Now let's hope it doesn't take forever...MG's pretty fast, but they're already planning so much, haha.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: mahou on July 05, 2011, 03:29:59 PM

Da Capo III will be released next year.

The english release, japanese version or both?
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on July 05, 2011, 04:36:11 PM
DC III eh? So, any one know if there will be another Shirakawa?
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on July 05, 2011, 05:54:48 PM
or worst case scenario Nemu
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: mahou on July 05, 2011, 06:14:50 PM
DC series isn't really known for it's dramatic changes so I assume there's a ridiculously high chance there will be a Shirakawa.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on July 05, 2011, 07:24:51 PM
expect there to be all the same stereotypes then...
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Kureha on July 05, 2011, 09:08:48 PM
All I really care about is that the Shirakawa bloodline goes on. Never really liked Nemu. I have an Yume limited edition wall scroll although she isn't that high on my tier list. Otome is up there but nothing can touch a Shirakawa in my book.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: sazabi on July 05, 2011, 10:27:10 PM
and Shirakawa is always an idol too...
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on July 07, 2011, 10:12:08 PM


Da Capo III will be released next year.

The english release, japanese version or both?

They didn't specify.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: michelous on July 08, 2011, 06:38:16 AM

KimiNozo? Seriously? Haha oh god I just...spazzed out more than was probably called for.

Now let's hope it doesn't take forever...MG's pretty fast, but they're already planning so much, haha.
the only problem is they wanted 1 million from jast a few year ago
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Mana on July 08, 2011, 07:07:16 AM
But JAST isn't a japanese company.
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Yossarian762 on July 10, 2011, 01:06:58 AM
still hoping against all odds they'll go the full nine yards and make a yandere nemu clone. or really any yandere heroine in da capo, i'm sure it would be hilarious
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: michelous on September 02, 2011, 03:43:43 AM
anyone seen the new translation of edelweiss yet
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Yossarian762 on September 02, 2011, 11:46:54 AM
yeah

in my account, you dirty pirate you

http://www.mediafire.com/?tf9asrw4qhhgzfm (http://www.mediafire.com/?tf9asrw4qhhgzfm)

i dont have edelweiss installed plus i have it legit so i dunno how this would work with a pirated version, but here you go

edit: the part one of two bit is just because the original edelweiss game is part 1 while part 2 is eiden fantasia, the patch is not in two parts of which i only uploaded half to troll you all
Title: Re: MG's shenanigans
Post by: Nitewolf on September 02, 2011, 08:05:51 PM
They made a new translation for it? Not that I don't agree it kinda needed it, but how comes they decided to do that?